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Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 12:31:00 -
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The tears in this thread are hilarious. Please, carry on.
Good work, CCP. The supercapital changes are perfect. |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:39:00 -
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CCP Tallest wrote:Will I consider increasing the drone bay of supers so that they can hold 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers? Yes, I will consider it after Crucible.
20/20 fighter bays would be a mistake. The size of the new bays is good, in that it forces SC pilots to balance their 'fits' for different scenarios. Are you expecting to fight large numbers of subcapitals? Full flight of fighters. Want to melt other capitals? Full flight of bombers. Not sure? Go half and half.
That element of forced choice is something that too many SC pilots have grown unfamiliar with, as they have been able to cater for all scenarios simultaneously for too long, hence the tears. But that forced choice is good. No other ship in EVE can be fit to deal with all circumstances and eventualities to maximum potential. There is always a trade-off, and so there should be for supercarriers.
So, by all means consider it, but please don't take the whines of the vocal minority of self-interested, iwinbutton bittervets as a solid argument for game balance. |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 14:21:00 -
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HelPilot of20Years wrote:Well maybe we should limit your ships to 4 large hardpoints and 4 mediums. Just in case, you know, a frig gang attacks you or something?
Nah. But maybe my Abaddon should be able to press a button to instantly swap its pulse lasers for tachyons? |
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:42:00 -
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Phunnestyle wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:CCP Tallest wrote:Will I consider increasing the drone bay of supers so that they can hold 20 fighters and 20 fighter bombers? Yes, I will consider it after Crucible. 20/20 fighter bays would be a mistake. The size of the new bays is good, in that it forces SC pilots to balance their 'fits' for different scenarios. Are you expecting to fight large numbers of subcapitals? Full flight of fighters. Want to melt other capitals? Full flight of bombers. Not sure? Go half and half. That element of forced choice is something that too many SC pilots have grown unfamiliar with, as they have been able to cater for all scenarios simultaneously for too long, hence the tears. But that forced choice is good. No other ship in EVE can be fit to deal with all circumstances and eventualities to maximum potential. There is always a trade-off, and so there should be for supercarriers. So, by all means consider it, but please don't take the whines of the vocal minority of self-interested, iwinbutton bittervets as a solid argument for game balance. You sir are a fool, if you would like to enlighten yourself, please read the last several pages. We have explained again & again why room for 20Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters is a must, & I personally can't be bothered to take another self induced person through them, so as I said, read over the last several pages, you may notice that any arguments if they can be called arguements LOL given in place for defence of the decision not to increase the drone bay, have neither held any water at all and they have not been able to explain why this change should not be made, infact the huge majority of posts against are deemed no more proficient than being troll posts, as they are affectively only trying to pervert the course of justice. Your LOL arguement is no different.
All I can see are 20+ pages of whining, screaming, foot-stomping, and general hurf-blurf from butt-hurt SC pilots. If somebody has a good argument as to why SCs should have a 20+20 capacity, I'd like to see it.
There was ONE salient point from the Boost Supers Brigade. That being that the Nyx's 15 bonused 'secondary' fighters (i.e. fighters when you have a full flight of 20 FBs) do 87.5% more dps than the 10 unbonused fighters of the Aeon and Wyvern. That seems like a pretty good reason to reduce the Nyx's capacity to 20+12, giving it equivalent DPS to the Hel when using fighters as a secondary weapon, or even just reduce it back to 20+10, which would give the Hel something really unique and useful. |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:52:00 -
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Svennig wrote:it's fuckin hilarious all the super pilots here. "QQ, we need another ship to manage logistics of moving fighters"
Quite. An Iteron V can carry 6 fighters. Oh! The effort! |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 17:23:00 -
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Naughty Fox wrote:Your a terrible troll, I question myself why im even bothering to reply to you, only make yourself sound more ignorant than you originally sounded. +100 for 20x FBs & 20x Fighters,the change can't come soon enough.
It's you're.
I'm not trolling at all. I sincerely want someone to present a reasoned argument as to why - within the context of balance and choice-driven gameplay - supercarriers should have a 20+20 fighter bay.
So far, all I've seen is lots of inchoate fury, but little in the way of constructive argument. |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.25 17:31:00 -
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Sameyaa wrote:We are bitching because owning a super is turning into owning a POS (in terms of logistics) which we did not sign up for when we got it. We have better **** to do than waste 20mins of our lives before every fleet refitting.
OK, that's a fair enough reason to be grumpy. But don't you think that SCs are such a powerful asset that they ought to require that much effort?
You already have to fuel it, and log it off at a POS with a dedicated holder character. Is moving a few fighters back and forth from a station really that big a deal?
Most SC pilots will likely never change their fighter complement anyway. It'll always be 20 bombers and the rest fighters, only restocking when some are lost. |
Daedalus Arcova
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:22:00 -
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Headerman wrote:I would also like to go forward and say that super carriers, due to their now diminished versatility with only fighters and FBs, needs to be able to dock and the pilot get out of the ship.
In fact, i would be happy to have ANY safe harbour that does not involve the following:
- A POS
- CSMA
- Safe Spot
- SC sitting alts
Yes, because everyone wants to play station games with supercarriers.
If you can't see the obvious stupidity of that idea, why should anyone take your whining about fighter bays seriously? |
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